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		<title>By: The Next Big Headache For Digital Publishers &#124; jeffmacintyre.com</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Big Headache For Digital Publishers &#124; jeffmacintyre.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in which I consult, an increasingly prevalent argument holds that news sites need to leave their old section taxonomies behind and move full-scale to dynamic topical aggregation of their content. Productizing their [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Next Big Headache for Digital Publishers &#171; Predicate, LLC &#124; Editorial + Content Strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Big Headache for Digital Publishers &#171; Predicate, LLC &#124; Editorial + Content Strategy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in which I consult, an increasingly prevalent argument holds that news sites need to leave their old section taxonomies behind and move full-scale to dynamic topical aggregation of their content. Productizing their [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey MacIntyre</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffrey MacIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen the taxonomy tension played out before with interesting results, Jacob, and I&#039;d second Scott&#039;s referral to Weinberg. 

In my client experience with major news companies, there is often resistance to moving away from the holy tablets of section-based taxonomy. And it&#039;s been an editorial team-led resistance, or sometimes an argument for remaining attentive to user needs. Both hold merit, but as you say, the technology and need to compete are driving us to push the model in bolder directions.

It is happening, although some such projects haven&#039;t seen the light of day yet. I think the kicker, from my own experience, is that advertising and biz strategy is driving a lot of the web editorial innovation coming down the road. 

I&#039;ve seen sophisticated ad strategies enthrone new models of organizing content at other media and entertainment companies. (Much of this follows topical aggregations, executed to varying levels of technical and revenue-driving ingenuity.) News orgs will not be immune.

I wish I could be less oblique, but as it goes, the most interesting work being undertaken by ad/design agencies in digital today is swathed in non-disclosure agreements. What I can say is that strategic reboots of taxonomy have become a distinctive pillar of intellectual property at big content organizations. In that respect, there&#039;s a lot to come.

Cheers,
Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the taxonomy tension played out before with interesting results, Jacob, and I&#8217;d second Scott&#8217;s referral to Weinberg. </p>
<p>In my client experience with major news companies, there is often resistance to moving away from the holy tablets of section-based taxonomy. And it&#8217;s been an editorial team-led resistance, or sometimes an argument for remaining attentive to user needs. Both hold merit, but as you say, the technology and need to compete are driving us to push the model in bolder directions.</p>
<p>It is happening, although some such projects haven&#8217;t seen the light of day yet. I think the kicker, from my own experience, is that advertising and biz strategy is driving a lot of the web editorial innovation coming down the road. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen sophisticated ad strategies enthrone new models of organizing content at other media and entertainment companies. (Much of this follows topical aggregations, executed to varying levels of technical and revenue-driving ingenuity.) News orgs will not be immune.</p>
<p>I wish I could be less oblique, but as it goes, the most interesting work being undertaken by ad/design agencies in digital today is swathed in non-disclosure agreements. What I can say is that strategic reboots of taxonomy have become a distinctive pillar of intellectual property at big content organizations. In that respect, there&#8217;s a lot to come.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Cori Faklaris</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cori Faklaris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 12:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, saw your post at Nieman Journalism Lab.  These are really good points.  I think you&#039;re on target that if newsrooms can reduce or get rid of the bureaucratic structure (Page 1, National desk, A&amp;E, Sports, etc.) that divides up the job responsibilities into sections that mimic the physical structure of the printed product, we&#039;d see our mental metaphors and our workflows become more useful as we move onto the Web.  Maybe this would help improve the print product too -- the default structure encourages not only blindness to what other sections are up to with overlapping topics but territoriality (I often see people getting pissy because of a suggestion to print content from another desk or team in &quot;their&quot; section or pages or because another team did &quot;their&quot; story). 

Maybe get rid of individual section editors in lieu a &quot;taxonomy&quot; or &quot;sectioning&quot; editor who makes sure all the content is tagged appropriately and divides up the news budget for both print and online posting?  And also, revise the news budgeting systems so that you don&#039;t have to plan for and slot the content according to the physical sections in print, but according to topics or some other platform-independent way.  Just seeing that piece of paper in the news meeting change could be a powerful tool for revising how editors think and place content in context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, saw your post at Nieman Journalism Lab.  These are really good points.  I think you&#8217;re on target that if newsrooms can reduce or get rid of the bureaucratic structure (Page 1, National desk, A&amp;E, Sports, etc.) that divides up the job responsibilities into sections that mimic the physical structure of the printed product, we&#8217;d see our mental metaphors and our workflows become more useful as we move onto the Web.  Maybe this would help improve the print product too &#8212; the default structure encourages not only blindness to what other sections are up to with overlapping topics but territoriality (I often see people getting pissy because of a suggestion to print content from another desk or team in &#8220;their&#8221; section or pages or because another team did &#8220;their&#8221; story). </p>
<p>Maybe get rid of individual section editors in lieu a &#8220;taxonomy&#8221; or &#8220;sectioning&#8221; editor who makes sure all the content is tagged appropriately and divides up the news budget for both print and online posting?  And also, revise the news budgeting systems so that you don&#8217;t have to plan for and slot the content according to the physical sections in print, but according to topics or some other platform-independent way.  Just seeing that piece of paper in the news meeting change could be a powerful tool for revising how editors think and place content in context.</p>
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		<title>By: David Marks</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Marks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacob,

Great thoughts. I think it&#039;s critical that newspapers find a way to be the best place to learn about the news, rather than search engines. 

You make a useful point that the topical sections of traditional papers are probably not really optimized for what&#039;s needed online and how users think about finding content. It&#039;s always interesting how historical habits transparently become implicitly entrenched over time.

I&#039;d like to comment on this line from your post:

&quot;We can find the content we want by searching for it, rather than pulling out a section of pages.&quot;

I suspect you didn&#039;t mean only external search, but also internal search engines. But the challenge is that users don&#039;t use internal search engines enough; far, far less than external search engines (mainly G.)

Putting newspapers in a historical perspective, they really were both places to learn about what news is important and places to read the actual articles. They were content producers and content aggregators. 

But online, they are increasingly the last step in a transaction for content; about 50% of users come from google search or google news to typical news sites and they read 1, _maybe_ 2 articles on the news site before leaving. 

This is bad, and hard to monetize. 

So thinking about ways to be the best place to learn about news content is really, really critical. Maybe that&#039;s better on-site search, better topics, external links, discovery tools, personalization, whatever. It&#039;s more than changing sections or tag-clouds. Article pages need a complete make-over. But it&#039;s critical to solve this problem in order to maintain audience or brand equity long term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob,</p>
<p>Great thoughts. I think it&#8217;s critical that newspapers find a way to be the best place to learn about the news, rather than search engines. </p>
<p>You make a useful point that the topical sections of traditional papers are probably not really optimized for what&#8217;s needed online and how users think about finding content. It&#8217;s always interesting how historical habits transparently become implicitly entrenched over time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to comment on this line from your post:</p>
<p>&#8220;We can find the content we want by searching for it, rather than pulling out a section of pages.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect you didn&#8217;t mean only external search, but also internal search engines. But the challenge is that users don&#8217;t use internal search engines enough; far, far less than external search engines (mainly G.)</p>
<p>Putting newspapers in a historical perspective, they really were both places to learn about what news is important and places to read the actual articles. They were content producers and content aggregators. </p>
<p>But online, they are increasingly the last step in a transaction for content; about 50% of users come from google search or google news to typical news sites and they read 1, _maybe_ 2 articles on the news site before leaving. </p>
<p>This is bad, and hard to monetize. </p>
<p>So thinking about ways to be the best place to learn about news content is really, really critical. Maybe that&#8217;s better on-site search, better topics, external links, discovery tools, personalization, whatever. It&#8217;s more than changing sections or tag-clouds. Article pages need a complete make-over. But it&#8217;s critical to solve this problem in order to maintain audience or brand equity long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Rosenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post. If you don&#039;t know it already, David Weinberger&#039;s book Everything is Miscellaneous addresses many of these points -- all suggesting that faceted, dynamic and recombinant tagging makes far more sense than rigid siloed &quot;sectioning.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. If you don&#8217;t know it already, David Weinberger&#8217;s book Everything is Miscellaneous addresses many of these points &#8212; all suggesting that faceted, dynamic and recombinant tagging makes far more sense than rigid siloed &#8220;sectioning.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Odza</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Odza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t paying close enough attention, but now I see what you&#039;re driving at. A &quot;topic&quot; in your lexicon, means something current and probably continuing, and almost certainly not anticipated by the formal &quot;sections&quot; which are defined in advance. In that case, I totally agree! If there&#039;s a revolution in Suriname led by a performance poet, sparked by blog reports of corporate corruption in healthcare (I have no inside knowledge, just a made-up scenario), does that story fall under the business beat, Latin America, literature, health care, web? The usual approach from an editor&#039;s point of view is to force it into one bucket -- one reporter (probably just a wire service reader, most likely). If it becomes an investigative story, then an editor may create a task force, with someone to capture video of the leader&#039;s performances, someone to check the business history of the company involved, etc. 

But I would still recommend reading up on taxonomy vs. folksonomy, for instance here: http://tr.im/mOKV]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t paying close enough attention, but now I see what you&#8217;re driving at. A &#8220;topic&#8221; in your lexicon, means something current and probably continuing, and almost certainly not anticipated by the formal &#8220;sections&#8221; which are defined in advance. In that case, I totally agree! If there&#8217;s a revolution in Suriname led by a performance poet, sparked by blog reports of corporate corruption in healthcare (I have no inside knowledge, just a made-up scenario), does that story fall under the business beat, Latin America, literature, health care, web? The usual approach from an editor&#8217;s point of view is to force it into one bucket &#8212; one reporter (probably just a wire service reader, most likely). If it becomes an investigative story, then an editor may create a task force, with someone to capture video of the leader&#8217;s performances, someone to check the business history of the company involved, etc. </p>
<p>But I would still recommend reading up on taxonomy vs. folksonomy, for instance here: <a href="http://tr.im/mOKV" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/mOKV</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always felt that Sections would persist but would be treated just like any other meta-data and on the same level as keywords, phrases and other terms.

The real problem is how to present it, how to allow seamless navigation, and how to make groups of similar content meaningful.

I think developing the proper UI will play a big part on how well we succeed in moving away from these few arbitrary terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that Sections would persist but would be treated just like any other meta-data and on the same level as keywords, phrases and other terms.</p>
<p>The real problem is how to present it, how to allow seamless navigation, and how to make groups of similar content meaningful.</p>
<p>I think developing the proper UI will play a big part on how well we succeed in moving away from these few arbitrary terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Harris</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Search is definitely part of the fabric of the modern online newspaper (TimesSelect was discontinued because of the rise in search-driven traffic to the Times), but when I look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/timeswire&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TimesWire&lt;/a&gt;, it&#039;s pretty humbling to see how much news I&#039;m interested in that I wouldn&#039;t think to search for directly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Search is definitely part of the fabric of the modern online newspaper (TimesSelect was discontinued because of the rise in search-driven traffic to the Times), but when I look at the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/timeswire" rel="nofollow">TimesWire</a>, it&#8217;s pretty humbling to see how much news I&#8217;m interested in that I wouldn&#8217;t think to search for directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Harris</title>
		<link>http://nimblecode.com/2009/05/28/so-long-sections/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Harris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry if I&#039;m not being clear, but I guess what I&#039;d like to explore is a better way of bringing trending topics into focus in a single place rather than splitting sections. Admittedly the technology is there already, but I still am not entirely happy with how topic pages work and I wonder if it would be better to have editors assigned to beats like &quot;The Iraq War&quot; and &quot;Swine Flu&quot; rather than sections like International or the Arts. Does that make sense?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m not being clear, but I guess what I&#8217;d like to explore is a better way of bringing trending topics into focus in a single place rather than splitting sections. Admittedly the technology is there already, but I still am not entirely happy with how topic pages work and I wonder if it would be better to have editors assigned to beats like &#8220;The Iraq War&#8221; and &#8220;Swine Flu&#8221; rather than sections like International or the Arts. Does that make sense?</p>
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